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Nate Vogel L’11 discusses his work as Legislative Counsel at New York Civil Liberties Union

July 17, 2013



I’m Nate Vogel and I graduated in 2011. I am a Legislative Council at the New York Civil Liberties Union and I advocate for a number of civil liberties and civil rights protections in New York State government. So, I am working on solitary confinement reform, some election law reforms, protecting privacy rights.

Through Penn Law I was able to volunteer through ACLU affiliates in Pennsylvania and in Maryland. I was able to volunteer with Clinics here and get experience that made it possible for me to do now what I do.

I was involved with the Unemployment Compensation Project and then we changed the name to the Employment Advocacy Project and then I was also involved with Penn Housing Rights Project. And with both of those I got some really valuable experience working with clients, dealing with, getting to know different courts and getting to understand that different courts operate in very different ways, and getting family with the idea of turning a set of facts into a persuasive argument.

That experience. Even though I don’t do trial advocacy now, I don’t do courtroom advocacy now, but that experience has still been really valuable advocating for policy changes.

I think the best advice that I would give would be to, as much as possible, take every opportunity that you can find to get to know or work with professionals who are doing the kind of law that you want to be doing later. The work that you get to do that way will be exciting and intellectually challenging and interesting and those relationships are also going to be fantastic way for you to make that transition from law school to working.

From the time that I came to Penn Law to now I have been impressed. Every year the Toll Public Interest program has gotten better and better. I am really excited to see where it goes now. 

Transcript edited for length